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  • #16
    The Match Target Hybrids will have a smaller wound channel as compared to our line of Match Hunting Bullets. This is due to the thicker jacket that is used with our line of Match Target Bullets. If you do use these bullets for hunting, it will mean that you will have to be closer on target to make sure that you get the disruption to the vital organs to bring a big game animal down quickly, and humanely.

    Cordially,
    Bob Blaine

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Bob Blaine View Post
      The Match Target Hybrids will have a smaller wound channel as compared to our line of Match Hunting Bullets. This is due to the thicker jacket that is used with our line of Match Target Bullets. If you do use these bullets for hunting, it will mean that you will have to be closer on target to make sure that you get the disruption to the vital organs to bring a big game animal down quickly, and humanely. Cordially, Bob Blaine
      That's what I figured. But I didn't know if it created a sufficient wound channel or not. I only take double lung shots on game. It's been a LOT of years since I've seen an animal I wanted to take and wasn't presented with a broadside shot if I was patient. I did take a cull buck with the bergers in my 6.5-284 last year at 250 yards. The flyers that I get are usually only an inch from the group so I was comfortable using the gun at that distance. But I watched it for over an hour before presented with the shot I wanted. Deer ran 40 yards and dead. I always shoot for a double lung and with every bullet I've used so far I've never had one in 20 years go more than 50 yards that I can think of. I'll pick up some hybrids when I find them. Just to see if it will shoot them. They'll be great for steel banging for sure anyways. Jared

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      • #18
        Hello C.O. Shooter,

        We will look forward to hearing how the Hybrid bullets will work for you. Please do keep in mind that the Match Target Hybrid bullets will not have as large of a wound channel as compared to our Match Hunting VLD bullets, and Classic Hunter bullets, because of the thicker bullet jacket that they have. This means that you will have to make sure that your point of impact is more accurately placed to get to the vital organs properly with the smaller expansion channel. Best of luck for your hunt!

        Cordially,
        Bob Blaine

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        • #19
          Thanks Bob, I have a few of the VLD hunting to try, however, I want to try the hybrids because others say they do not work! To date, I have only shot the hybrids, but will get out to try the VLD hunting at 600 or 1000 yards this Tuesday! Not certain which range, as I only have 8 rounds to try. I have hunted with a 220 SMKs out of my 300 rum with great success. As you said, it all comes down to shot placement!

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          • #20
            Hello C.O. Shooter,

            We look forward to your report! It is the very reason that these forums are available to share information that will help all of us. Have a great hunt over in Wyoming!

            Cordially,
            Bob Blaine

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            • #21
              Hybrids (Top) 1000yards/22.75moa/.75moa left 0930am/0wind/mirage/66.9degree 5 shots averaged -2.6" low Hunting.............. (Bottom) 1000 yards/22.75moa/1moa left 0945am/0wind/mirage/70degree 8 shot group with exception of a pulled shoot, 5" group...................... Not really certain what to think! I believe the VLD Hunting shot better than the Hybrids! However, the hunting were 1.5 MOA low at 1000 yards! I worked my drops at 600 & 1000 for the hybrids and I calculated my speed to be 2929. I was using 2925 for my range session today! Im thinking of switching. I was saying I was going to use the hybrid on my Wyoming deer, however, I think the VLD hunting is the way to go!!

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              • #22
                Hi C.O. Shooter,

                It looks like your rifle is doing better with the Match Hunting VLD bullets! It sure looks like your rifle is showing a preference for the VLD bullet over the Hybrid bullet!

                Cordially,
                Bob Blaine

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                • #23
                  I was really surprised they shot better! However, curious why they were 15" or 1.5 MOA low? I already acquired a new box of VLD hunting from EOL to have loaded up! Bob, what are your thoughts??

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                  • #24
                    It looks like your rifle has shown that it has a preference for that particular bullet design over the Hybrid. It is not unusual for a rifle to show a bullet preference like this.

                    Cordially,
                    Bob Blaine

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                    • #25
                      My smallest hybrid group at 1000 was 5.5". The hunting was under 5" minus the flyer. But why did it drop?

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                      • #26
                        It is hard to say why the load dropped. It could have been as simple as a mid-range puff of wind, or the way the load combination is working for the conditions at the range. It looks like they are flying well, compared to each other for only a .5" difference, though.

                        Cordially,
                        Bob Blaine

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                        • #27
                          Bob, I have seen a video on YouTube about annealing the tips of Berger bullet to achieve better expansion at extended ranges. I was wondering what your opinion would be on annealing a 6.5 hybrid bullet. Do you think annealing the tip would enhance the expansion to near equal of the hunting VLD ? Or would annealing the thicker jacket of the hybrid not be as effective? Thanks for you time. Jared

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                          • #28
                            Hi Jared,

                            We have seen this video, and we do not endorse it as a valid procedure to do with our bullets. We have never tested our bullets doing this, and because of this we simply have no idea without our own testing to the validity of annealing our bullets. It would also void any, and all, warranties with our bullet as well.

                            Cordially,
                            Bob Blaine

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                            • #29
                              ShootingMathews, I realized the other day I hijacked your thread and I'm sorry! One last question for Bob, Bob, This was my last range session at 1000 yards.
                              Originally posted by C.O. Shooter View Post
                              I was really surprised they shot better! However, curious why they were 15" or 1.5 MOA low? I already acquired a new box of VLD hunting from EOL to have loaded up! Bob, what are your thoughts??
                              Now today Ok so out again this morning to 1000 yards to confirm with the VLD Hunting, before my wyoming trip. My last 1000 yard range session I was 15" low. I was using 22.5 MOA @ 2929fps. So today I was using what I thought were my corrected values. 24 MOA @ 2875. Well my first 5 shot group was 15" high! WTF! So adjusted back down to 22.5 MOA and shot another 5 shot group. 3 out of 5 shots bullseye in a 4" circle. I guess I'm good to go! However, I'm still confused why the drop previously? I'm trying to match the results in my shooting app, Ballistic AE, and I come up with 3040 FPS to match my elevation of 22.50 MOA.

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                              • #30
                                On this issue, I am not really sure. It could be any number of issues. It could be weather issues affecting the load, a chronograph battery possibly down on voltage and giving readings that are off (this has happened to me in the past.), scope tracking issues, or loose screws? As long as you see consistency with the final tests, that is still the bottom line. Any of the other issues can be checked out during off season range sessions. It will be interesting to see how this will play out for you. We sure hope that you have a great hunt!

                                Bob Blaine
                                Berger Bullet
                                Technical Specialist

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